Roberto Mancini remains confident Manchester City will progress to the last 16 of the Champions League, despite failing to win a game so far.
City started their continental campaign with a draw to Serie A outfit Napoli at the Etihad Stadium, before losing to Bayern Munich.
The German giants triumphed 2-0 in the Allianz Arena, thanks to a brace from in-form striker Mario Gomez.
Mancini, though, is not prepared to concede defeat just yet, and has targeted a haul of eight more points from the remaining four fixtures.
"I am still convinced that we will qualify," Mancini told Il Domani dello Sport. "We've only played two games and four remain.
"I think nine points would be enough to qualify."
He added: "Villarreal have lost their way, they're almost out. Napoli are a strong, well-organised team.
"Bayern Munich are like a steamroller at the moment, crushing everyone. But in Germany, when the score was 0-0, we had two penalty claims turned down."
Villarreal are City's next opponents in Group A, with the Spanish side travelling to Manchester for the encounter on October 17.