Manchester United's new season hit new lows on Tuesday night when they suffered a shock 2-0 loss to Olympiacos.
It seems nothing has gone to plan for David Moyes since he took over from Sir Alex Ferguson as manager of the Premier League champions.
They sit 11 points off of fourth place, almost certain to miss out on Champions League football for the first time in 18 years.
But is all really that bad for Manchester United? In fact some statistics prove that Moyes is actually doing better in his debut season than Arsene Wenger did for Arsenal and Rafa Benitez did for Liverpool.
Number crunchers Squawka have compared the debut seasons of Jose Mourinho, Carlo Ancelotti, David Moyes, Wenger and Benitez to show that Moyes may not be doing as badly as some fans think he is.
Click through to check out the stats!